Top Five Myths About Cutting Horses

Cutting & reining trainer,
Larry Trocha
"Top Five Myths About Cutting Horses"
By Larry Trocha
A pro's advice about what it takes for a horse to be successful in the cutting arena.
During my career as a professional horse trainer, I’ve heard horse owners tell all kinds of reasons why they think their horse could be a winner in the cutting arena.
Unfortunately, when it comes to cow horses, a lot of folks are misinformed as to what is fact and what is fiction.
And of course, any time you're talking about horses, there are always exceptions to the rule. But, for the most part… Here are a few of the most common myths.
Myth #1. My colt should really make a great cutter.
Whenever our "dog" goes into the pasture, the colt chases him around and works him just like cutting a cow. (For the word “dog” you could substitute “goat”, “another horse”, “a person” or “whatever”).
I wouldn’t enter the colt up at the Fort Worth futurity just yet.
Here’s the usually disappointing truth…
The dog isn’t a cow… The colt is doing this without a rider on his back… And most importantly, the colt is doing this activity without any rules he has to adhere to, such as form and style of working.
In reality, there are a lot of colts that like to have fun chasing something around. It’s play, pure and simple.
It’s another thing entirely for a colt to become a cutter.
First of all, the newness of working the cow will wear off and the training will eventually become work. When the colt finds out he has to work the cow with precision, form and style, he might not want to do it.
That’s why it’s so important your cutting prospect is bred to be a cutter. If the sire and dam have the attributes to be successful in the cutting arena, the colt has a lot better chance of being successful also.
Myth #2. My colt should make a great cutter.
I rode him out to gather some cattle for the first time and he was really good. He wasn’t bothered or scared by the cattle and acted like it was nothing new at all.
Like I said earlier, there are always exceptions to the rule. But, when a colt doesn’t show much of a reaction to a cow it usually means he’s not going to be a good one.
Every top cutting horse I’ve ever trained, either was fearful of the cow and wanted to keep a safe distance from it or was aggressive towards the cow and wanted to dominate it.
The 1990 NCHA futurity champion, Millie Montana, was the dominant kind.
The very first time I worked her on a cow she wanted to take charge. Her head went down, her ears went back and everything about her body language told the cow that she was the boss.
The great NCHA world champion mare, Doc N Missy, was the exact opposite.
She was in my string when I was working for Gene Suiter in Arizona. I’ll never forget her reaction the first time I introduced her to a cow. She was so scared of it she literally tried to jump out of the arena.
The cow would be 150 feet away down at the other end of the arena, but that was too close for comfort for her. It actually took a couple months before she got confident enough to move the cow.
Myth #3. My colt should make a great cutter.
He is 99% foundation bred. His bloodlines trace back to Wimpy P1 five times on the top side and three times on the bottom. Those old foundation horses were real cow ponies.
Here's the actual facts…
Many of the old-time foundation Quarter Horses were NOT good cutting horses.
Most were either common, every-day ranch horses or competition race horses.
Now, if you own a foundation bred horse, don't take what I'm about to say the wrong way. Our topic here is modern-day "competition" cutting.
Yes, I've ridden plenty of foundation bred horses that would definitely work a cow.
King, Leo and Three Bars were the most dominant cutting horse bloodlines. There were a few others too.
But the vast majority of those old foundation horses weren't worth two cents when it came to working cattle or producing cutting horses.
If you go to any of the top cutting trainers and ask them to describe what it’s like to try to get one of these old-time “foundation bred” horses to cut, here is the answer you’ll get 9 out of 10 times:
Most don’t have enough cow or intensity to make it in modern-day cutting competition.
They’re difficult to train for today's type of cutting. For example, they either learn too slow to be ready for the futurity or they want to argue too much.
If you manage to overcome A and B, it's still tough to win because many of them don’t have the athletic ability and style of modern-day cutting horses.
If you want your colt to be a good cutter, the least you can do is make sure he comes from bloodlines that produce good cutters. And yes, there are horses that are exceptions to the rule, but they are few and far between.
Myth #4. My colt should make a great cutter.
I’m going to put him in training with this hot shot trainer for six months and have him shown at the cutting futurity.
Actually, this is a misconception a lot of people have about training a cutting horse.
It takes a long time to get a horse to the point of being "showable" at a contest. To have a colt ready for a futurity takes a minimum of 18 months of training.
If the colt is an exceptionally fast learner, you might get lucky and have him ready in just one year. This means to have a colt ready to compete in the fall futurities as a 3year old, he needs to be started on cattle in early spring of his 2 year old year.
Owners are afraid of starting their colts that young, fearing injury to the colt from starting him too early.
In reality, a good trainer never works a young colt very hard. The idea is to give the colt a solid foundation built slowly so there is no stress. When this is done right, seldom will a colt get hurt.
Myth #5. A new owner usually thinks… "I’m going to buy my first cutting horse and take him to a show next week-end.
I should do pretty well. After all, cutting horses are trained to work on their own. The rider doesn't have to do anything but hang on".
I sure wish it was that simple. It would make my job as trainer and coach much easier. It’s true, cutting horses are trained to work on their own. However, the rider has a "big" influence on how well the horse works.
An inexperienced rider can cause even the best cutting horse to make mistakes.
The most common ones are… rounding the turns, missing the stop and being out of sync with the cow. Most new cutters don’t realize they could ruin their horse if they don’t learn to ride correctly in a relatively short period of time.
The best plan is to find a knowledgeable coach that will help you learn to ride your cutter the right way.
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Good luck,

Larry Trocha
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You know I have read some of these comments after reading this article and some of you blow me away w/ your rudeness and obviously lack of knowledge. I have been around many cutting horse trainers and everything that Larry has said is the same thing you will hear from all of the best. Some of you are even reaferming what Larry said but sounds like you wanted it to come from your mouth instead of his, but putting him down in the process. And to those who want there horses standing around getting fat and foundered for five or six yrs is not good for them either matter of fact can be worse, so some of you would be best to go look in the mirror to see what you can change before going and putting someone down who has worked hard at there profession! Thanks Larry I have learned from you and appreciate your help
My God Larry,
Your really pissing the Gunsels off. Stop it your killing me. There are so many folks out there that think they are the shit when it comes to horses. All I really can say to someone who is disrespectful to a man who has: Been to the Big Shows and knows what it takes and what kind of horse it takes to get there, Shut the hell up. You a freaking moron who doesn't know his ass from a hole in his head.
Most of these folks have a freaking nagg that they dont even know that theyre horse is two inches down hill. They only paid a couple of Grand for it from some shit head that sold him to them, bragging on the Doc Bar Bloodline in the horse from five generations ago, I see these kind of dumb asses at the barn all the time.
Hey people, Having cow don't make a freakin cutting horse. You have to have conformation , current breeding, proven consistent blood lines . Right up to the colt. And the colt had better cost you quite a bit of money. Because the good ones are not cheep ass horses. Oh as well, you better be ready to spend about 15 to 18 grand to find out, Because if your thinking you can just take a video and make a world class cutting horse out of your turd. Good Luck! People give me the shits, Thats why I love horses.
My horse should make a GREAT CUTTER because he is out Peptoboonsmal and A Smart Chick Mare….And I can ride….LOL….
i purchased some of your videos after seeing one of your training tips online and i have to say i have learned so much! you truly are a great trainer, you teach the things that need to be taught that other trainers and their videos will not let you in on! i spent a couple years with a reining trainer and then another year with another reining trainer, that worked with Tim Mcquay and have progressed my knowledge with your videos, i too want to be an accomplished trainer some day and i believe that how my horses work is a direct insight into how i train. your techniques are humane and give the horses solid foundations and great finnished products thanks for all that you do and it would be a dream come true to meet you some day!
I am going to reply to horse trainers comment just for the hell of it. I have trained alot of horses at the age of 2 and nothing wrong has ever happened to us. And we do not work them to hard. As a horses trainer you should no when to quit before you wreck a horses.If you wreck a 2 year old training it or getting ready to ride you have done something wrong. So mabey you should keep those opinions to your self, and not share those with people that probably no more than you!!
Just a quick response to the Kris Boucher comment. "to" and "too" have two different meanings just like "no" and "know". "Horses" is more than one horse. On the other hand, "horse's" is what Kris meant. How about a spell check??? Oh, "your self" is one word.
Despite whether you are right or wrong, learning how to present YOURSELF is important. Writing or speaking in this manner discredit’s the person who is delivering it.
Larry Trocha is an excellent speaker/teacher. He appears to have good knowledge, experience, and most importantly, common sense. All of which, is vital to successful horse training. There is nothing wrong with working off of a 2 year old, as long as you are not an overweight person lacking common sense. Keep up the good work Mr. Trocha.
I have to disagree with the statement that starting two-year-olds is okay because "a good trainer never works a young colt very hard". The reality is that once you've plopped a stock saddle and a 150lb. guy on a two-year-old's musculo-skeletal system, you've stressed him.
All of the scientific and veterinary research on cartilage and bone development supports this. In my never-to-be-humble opinion, the Futurity system is one of the worst things we, as humans, have done to horses and horse training.
I think you would be a great trainer. where do you live? I have a colt that just turned 2 he is going to be a great horse for working cattle.
sorry for my english not so well, but me think that you are right too pointe. Me share video now.
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