Horse Training Tips – Spooking

Dear Friend and Horseman,

Welcome to another Horse Training Tips Newsletter.

In my last newsletter, I posted my answers to training questions sent to me by my subscribers and Inner Circle members. The response to that newsletter was overwhelming.

Many people wrote to me saying how much they liked the information. So, in this issue of the newsletter, I’ve decided to do the same thing.

First though, I want to thank one of my subscribers for sending me such a nice “thank you” note. The note is unusual because it comes from a horsewoman who rides hunters and jumpers instead of cutters and reiners.

Here is what she wrote:

Hi Larry
This is probably a different type of “thank you” or endorsement.

I love your training videos!!!!

I am actually an English hunter/ jumper rider, and I have a 17h thoroughbred. He is very big and strong, and very much on his front end. I have tried to consider different methods of training and decided to give your videos a try- They worked great!

I love the fact that you show the training solutions on just average trained horses that actually make mistakes. You can see what to look for when things are going wrong. I also like the fact that you get into firm methods (when needed) and equipment, and show the proper way that they are used, and their results. Very PRACTICAL information.

Thank you!
Christina Lopez
Davis, CA

Well, you are very welcome, Christina. I love hearing stuff like that.

Okay, lets get on with the training questions.

Answers to good horse training questions

Question:

Hi Larry
It`s me Pia. I have ordered some more of your training videos……cause they are the best! – Anyway – I have a question for you – and I know there may not be any real answers……..but

1. Any idea how to react – or what to do when a horse starts to buck like hell? (excuse my language)

I got bucked off my horse Tucker  – he`s scared of everything – you never know when and why he gets scared – and usually I just sit and relax…..but this day he was really scared – and I didn`t relax.

 I gave him some spur – and then he jumped forward – and started a rodeo – I hung on for some time – but then he made a sharp turn – and I flew off – landing in a ditch – I was ok – but hurt for two weeks……so – if you have any techniques to get you out of a situation like that……. I would appreciate it. Thanks – and keep making those good videos!!!

Best regards
Pia

My answer:

Hi Pia,
Hey, thanks for getting my tapes. I appreciate it.

First, let me say that a certain amount of “spooking” is normal for a horse. It’s part of his survival instinct. Evolution has produced a horse that managed to survive by being wary. The horses that weren’t wary got eaten by predators.

Because a horse has this inborn survival instinct, there are certain instances when “spooking” is an absolutely appropriate behavior… quick, sudden movements or something that looks like a hiding predator.

However, there are also times when a horse is spooking at something when there is no good reason for him to spook… an object that he has seen hundreds of times or an object that is a long ways away.

There are also horses that seem to spook at everything all the time. These usually have problems with their vision or they have developed a “spooking phobia“.

The very first horse I had when I was a kid had a spooking phobia. His name was “Lucky” and he was one of the most dangerous horses I’ve ever ridden. Actually, I was the one who was “lucky”. Lucky to survive riding him!

My parents bought Lucky for me as a surprise. I’d been bugging them to get me a horse for years. He cost $75 and that included the saddle, bridle and brushes. My parents were not horsemen. They had no idea how dangerous Lucky really was.

Lucky was a habitual spooker. When I first got him, he would spook almost every ride. I can remember it like it was yesterday. We’d be riding along and all of a sudden Lucky’s head would shoot up as high as it would go.

He would be looking at something waaaay off in the distance. He would then let out a loud snort, wheel around 180 degrees, bog his head and buck 4 or 5 jumps, then take off at a dead run.

I was bucked off in the ditch beside the road so many times that I lost count.

Eventually, I learned to weather the bucking storm. Lucky would wheel and go to bucking and I could ride it but I still couldn’t stop him.

He’d be running towards home full out. I mean really stampeding. When he realized I was still on his back, he would try other tactics to get me off. His favorite was to take me under the neighbor’s clothesline.

At a dead run, he’d turn and go up the first drive way we’d come to. Then, zero in on the clothesline and take me under it to knock me off.

It was weird but Lucky was a genius at finding a clothesline to take me under. He knew there would always be one located beside a farm house. It was amazing the way he would spot it and then head for the target like a guided missile.

I learned to step over and ride the side of the horse… the way I saw Indians do it on TV. This kept me from getting “clotheslined” right out of the saddle.

Of course, when the clothesline tactic didn’t work, Lucky would then head for a tree or a building and try to scrape me off on that. Again, stepping over and riding in one stirrup kept me aboard. (My saddle sure got tore up, though).

Lucky never did completely get over his spooking habit. However, once he learned that he couldn’t get me off, he didn’t do it nearly as often. If I had known then what I know now, I could have fixed him.

By the way, in case you are wondering, Luck managed to put two people in the “doctor’s office”. A neighbor kid who was my best friend. And a girl from school, Kay Anderson who was my very first childhood sweatheart.

Okay, this is what I do when a horse starts to spook at something

As soon as the horse sees the scary object, I start schooling him to get him listening to me instead of concentrating on the scary object. Keep him busy and moving.

Example: Let’s say you are riding in the pasture and your horse sees a deer off in the distance and starts to spook. I’ll immediately start to trot very small circles and ask the horse to give his head into the circle. I might stop, rollback and trot the other way. I might spin, back up or sidepass. Do anything that will take his mind off spooking.

The idea is to keep him busy to get his mind on you instead of the scary object. As soon as he’s listening to me and starting to get a little tired, I’ll let him stand and rest while facing the scary object.

Usually, the horse is more interested in catching his breath than spooking. This teaches him to associate “resting” with “not spooking”. With most horses this is all you’ll have to do to address the problem.

However, in your email you said, “Tucker is scared of everything and you never know when or why he gets scared”.

You need to know that this isn’t normal behavior for a mature horse. Either his eyesight is bad or he has developed a phobia about spooks.

Have is eyes checked first. If they are okay you need to really address the spooking phobia.

I’ve had horses like your Tucker. They would spook every five seconds and jump out from under me or do some other dangerous action. I got hurt plenty of times.

Here is how I brought those problem horses to their senses… I made the act of “spooking” very, very uncomfortable for them. Let me repeat that in other words… Whenever they spooked for no good reason, I made them wish they hadn’t.

I would spin them hard and fast. I would jerk them to a stop. I would spank their butt and make them really drive forward into small circles. I short, I made them associate “spooking” with unpleasant, hard work.

In a short period of time, they weren’t so keen on spooking any more. I guess they figured it just wasn’t worth it. (Actually, there was one exception. A psycho mare that eventually killed herself by running off a 15 foot cliff with her rider. Luckily the rider survived the fall with only minor injuries).

You might keep this information in mind the next time Tucker decides to spook and unload you in the ditch.

Good luck,

Larry Trocha
Larry Trocha Training Stable
www.HorseTrainingVideos.com

Pia’s reply:

Hi Larry
Thanks very much for your good reply….but Tucker could start balking or bucking in a situation like that – it`s like he freezes up and won`t move and then when you get him moving he`ll buck and pull stunts cause all he wants is to get away – but I`ll definetely try it. Thanks again.

Pia

My answer:

Hi Pia,
I just can’t picture a trained horse doing that. However, if he was my horse and he wouldn’t respond by going forward in a circle and start to listen, I would take his reaction as a lack of respect for my authority.

I’d make sure he respected my requests or I’d make him wish he had.

When he tries to get away or buck, use draw reins so you can get his head. And when he balks, spank him on the butt with a crop to make him go forward.

Some horses really resent being told what they can or can not do. Some of them will fight and you can get hurt (of course, you already know this, don’t you).

It might be a good idea to get some help from a professional trainer.

Larry Trocha
Larry Trocha Training Stable
www.HorseTrainingVideos.com

My comments:

Okay, I know what I advised Pia to do above sounded a bit harsh. And I’ll be the first to admit, “on an average horse, it would be”. But, when a horse puts his rider in physical danger again and again, any means to make that horse safe to ride is more than justified.

Fixing the problem not only makes him safer for his rider but it may save the horse’s life as well. Dangerous or un-ridable horses usually end up at the slaughter house. We can prevent that if we can turn the horse into a safe and useful riding horse.

Now, I know for a fact that a few people who read this newsletter are going to send me hate mail. They will call me a “sadistic butcher” because I advocate disciplining a horse for bad behavior.

Well, so be it. If those people don’t like what I say, they can unsubscribe from this newsletter.

Furthermore, there are people who will think that generous amounts of “petting and cookie treats” will fix this kind of problem. They are mistaken.

If you sincerely want to know why “petting and treats” won’t fix a spooking problem, I’m happy to explain it…

If a horse constantly spooks and you pet him to reassure him, all you are really doing is rewarding him for the spooking behavior. The “petting” will prolong the problem, not solve it. Pet your horses for good behavior only.

After reading that, I can just hear all the “cookie advocates” protesting… “petting is how I let my horse know that everything is okay and that he doesn’t need to be frightened”.

My answer is, “I agree with you. With a normal horse that occasionally gets frightened, that is the appropriate thing to do. Pet him to re-assure him.

However, you need to use good judgment. There is a time when petting is the way to go and there is a time when discipline is the appropriate action.

Want to see video examples of exactly how to accomplish this?

You can see a good example of this in my online training course titled, “Groom, Saddle, Ride & Fix Bad Behavior“.

In the course, you’ll learn how to deal with just about any problem you can imagine.

Including horses that rear, buck, balk, kick, bite, spook, are barn sour, buddy sour, won’t cross water and won’t go where you want.

Another good horse training question

Question:

Hi Larry,
I’ve been studying your rollback and spin tape, and sidepassing tape. I have a new horse I plan to train in reining so will be ordering more tapes from you in the future starting with your foundation series. But I have two questions as I’m watching your tapes..

Question 1: Do you establish a training schedule before you start training that extends over 3, 6 and or 12 months. For example.

Phase 1:
Rollbacks: Level 1 for first 30 days.
Level 2 for next 30 to 60 days (assuming Level 1 was achieved)

Spins:
Level 1 for first 30 days.
Goals: A. Achieve leg over maneuver in both directions slowly and smoothly
B. Head position is maintained consistently.

Level 2 for next 30 to 60 days.
Goals: A. Advance speed and ………

Stops:
Level 1 for first 30 days.
Goals: A. To achieve …………..
B. To achieve …………….

Question 2: Is it ok to practice different maneuvers together during the same practice session, and if so, which ones do you find work best together and which ones do you avoid.

By now I’m sure you’ve figured out I’m a novice. I’m trying to put together a training schedule to work on over this winter and plan to employ the information I get from your tapes. I found a 4 year old mare that has a good rein horse pedigree that has never been trained. So wish me luck and any tips you have would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Chuck

My answer:

Hi Chuck,
Thanks for getting my tapes. I appreciate it.
Yes, I can tell you are a novice but hey, every top horseman started as a novice.

I’m glad you are getting the Foundation Training Package because that is where you want to start with your new horse.

I have no regimented training schedule. Horses are individuals and there will be huge variations in their ability to learn. Some horses will learn to do a great spin in only a few weeks. Another horse may take 6 months of training before he has it.

I will usually work on several different things during a ride. I usually work on rollbacks and turnarounds while the horse is a little fresh and work on stops or lateral moves when the horse is tired and wants to stop and rest.

Your primary goal should be to get control of all your horse’s moving parts.

Be sure you are able to move his shoulders, head, ribcage and hips. And I mean total control. The horse needs to let you position his body anytime without resistance.

If you can get this done, training for the maneuvers, like stops and spins, will be a piece of cake.

To see how an actual training session usually goes, you may want to get a few of my Inner Circle videos. These tapes show a very realistic type of training regimen.

Take care,

Larry Trocha
Larry Trocha Training Stable
www.HorseTrainingVideos.com

Well, this wraps it up for this newsletter. I hope you liked it.

Until next time, have fun training your horse.

Larry Trocha
Larry Trocha
www.HorseTrainingVideos.com

Comments

  1. eric oneal says

    hi larry I realy enjoy ur letters and reading ur advice let me start off with I ant a young man no more I was raised in okla braken roufgh stock the old ways and I got the bad joints and bones to prove it I got a 4y little girl im trying to tech how to ride and respect horses I got a 14y app. mare that im teachen her on she rides decent but for some reason this mare is starten to side jump and spook at nothen in a open pen that she is in 24/7 even when im leading her but when I ride her she is fine I cant figure out why she doing this ??? and I got 2 2y olds I ben trying to lear the new ways of braken and traning them with out using the harsh ways of past I wont to start my stud and filly in a side pull then go to a bozal what would ur advice be on that ??? and my stud colt is very sencitve on his right side he lets me do his feet and lets me do what I wont with him as long as nobody else tryes to hold his led are touches him he wont let them he moves back to were im at even if he has to drag them to me ??? I would like ur expert advice on this because I know you have probly seen studs like this before he realy acts up when I am worken eany outher horse ??? thank you for your time Eric O’Neal

    • LarryTrocha says

      Hi Eric,
      I can’t say much about your Appy mare. I’d need to see it happening.

      As for using a side-pull… I’m not a fan.

      Just my personal opinion. I’d rather use a snaffle or bosal.

      Good luck,

      Larry T

      • Larry Little Sr. says

        Hi Larry,
        You are straight forward in your answers and rightfully so. I don’t think you are harsh at all. If Pia is unwilling to get professional help, starting with your advice, she might consider another sport!!!
        Eric needs to learn how to spell or better yet, stop using computer lingo. He mentions age and Oklahoma; sure sounds modern to me.
        Now that, Larry, is HARSH.

        • Larry Little Sr. says

          Hi Larry,
          As a post script, horses were not intended as pets from the beginning. I do not advocate abuse of any sort, but I do expect [Respect] from all my horses. They are truly like kids; if they think they can get away with it one time, they will invariably raise the bar the next time. With that being said, I will close by saying that I wager that I will be hated worse than you
          Via Con Dios
          Larry

      • celia says

        Hi Larry, I start all my horses with a side pull and have great results, so I was just wondering why you don t like them. Thanks

  2. Jo A Anthony says

    Hi Larry.
    What I finally ended up doing was using a movable correctional bit and ride loose rein. this way when he spooks, the bit immediately takes his mind off it. i don’t pull on it, just what naturally happens with his head uses the bit. Then I spur him forward. what I have been doing on the ground is walking with a whip in front of his chest and a carriage whip on the side. He is now starting not to jump on me. When i know he is worn out from spooking and everything, he comes up to me, puts the flat of his face on my arm, sighs and just stands there. he’s really not a people person after spending his whole 9 years of life in a pasture, so this is just weird.

    I don’t want to forget to mention this. Until I made a round pen, I had NO stop button. Now he does. He is not consistent in the round pen so I am waiting a bit to start ground work. He has been trained before, but I don’t know correct ques. But I won’t think him safe enough until he backs and side steps without coersion.

    I like the tip newsletter and watching the free videos. Unfortuantely I still am unable to join. I suppose monthly, or tri-monthly payment is out the question? :-(

    Jo Ann & Ziggy’s Stardust

  3. Patty says

    One more thing to consider: your horse may have a sore back. Bucking, avoiding work and unseating a rider could also be due to pain. Check your tack and saddle fit.

  4. Rogelio says

    Goodnight Mr. Trocha.
    I greet you and I take the means to request the following: what is the appropriate age for you put the bosal on a horse and that time must be worked with. After the bosal how long to work with the brake, it should be gradually adjusted!.
    No more I say goodbye for now.
    Regards

  5. tron olaf evensen says

    Hi Larry
    I`m still working my way throug the online lessons i got, but your e-mails are really good stuff. I realise how little I understand of the horses nature. As I mentioned in my introduction mail to you I`v recently been struggeling with a horse that spooks.. in a split of a second- no warning.. It has juggled my confidence. however, I`m not readdy to give up jet. I think I can get throug this if I can improve my posture and get control of the mare. I`m woriking with getting control over her head every time I notice her neck getting up and ears stiffening… well… I feel I need to get over this situation to become a better rider and horsman. Here in Norway we ride in a different style than you, but the principles of how to treat a hors are the same I guess and all the things you`r saying about shouldrs , elbows, relaxing the lower back and keeping the legs around and not away form the hors aplies for us too.
    see you Tron

  6. Carol Arledge says

    I HEARTILY agree with everything you suggested about horses with major spooking problems! If you sound advice fails to have drastic results, I would have to wonder if this horse is sound enough in mind to ever provide Pia a safe, pleasurable ride. Some horses, despite sound practices, are “kuku” and present an ongoing unpredictable danger. A really spooky horse trains the rider to scan the countryside constantly for what might be the next booger bear. Kudos to you for telling the truth that cookies and hugs have no effect in helping them and never let them turn away from the scarey object. I’m a true fan of your methods!

    • Jo A Anthony says

      Hi Carol.

      You are right, Ziggy started getting me to do that and I stop. He was the first horse I ever fell off when it spooked. but It was and 11 foot (3.4 m) to the left and i wasn’t expecting that cuz I had never experience a spook that big. I broke a rib and dislocated 3 others. I find with the round pen he pays more attention on the trail to me, and with the correction bit and spurs, we are doing alot better. I am really glad he doesn’t mind that bit. Doesn’t fuss at all. BTW, I have to use working offset cutting spurs. None of my other ones, english or western didn’t bother him at all.

  7. Lea says

    I agree with Larry. There was a horse who spooked a LOT at work. This went on for weeks or months- I can’t remember anymore- but finally the day he spooked at the barn dog that I KNEW HE KNEW, and it was just laying out in the open(!!!!) I flew all over him. I then continued to get on his case every time he spooked, and he stopped pulling those shenanigans pretty quick.

  8. Lori says

    In my experience, the issue is most always the rider, not the horse. Pia’s horse, flat out, doesn’t respect her. I bet he’s pushy on the ground too, and he has learned that this bad behavior gets him out of having to work! I think Pia should hook up with a “horseman” in her area, and start learning how to work with her horse on a mental level. And more specifically, in the meantime, she should learn the “one rein stop”. When the horse begins to do anything wrong, buck, rear, spook or whatever, take one rein, and pull his head as quickly as possible to one side…almost touching your leg if need be. I guarantee, there isn’t anything a horse can do in that position. Keep him there until he decides to be calm. It’s saved me many times.

    • Lori says

      Dear other Lori :)
      Just for the record, when you guarantee “there isn’t anything a horse can do in that (one rein stop) position” , let’s not forget: throw himself down, bite you in the leg, and run through a barb wire fence with his eyes mostly closed, just to name a few…and I’m speaking from experience from the old days with tough horses and someone riding them that really could not appreciate how she was contributing to the problem (Me!). If Pia needs help, I think she has come to exactly the right guy with Larry, I just wouldn’t want her to this there really “Isn’t anything a horse can do” in the that position. Good Luck to all.

      • Jo A Anthony says

        I had to laugh cuz the first time I used the one rein stop, Ziggy bit my shin. Took me by surprise. Also i have been circled into trees, boulders, and almost off a mountain, even after I released pressure. But horses that do this are probably belligerent and bullies. And when he gets bored, he starts to flex his head to your toe to let you know he’s bored and wants to go. Took me a bit to realize why he was doing that. also flexes, instead of turning if riding two hand rein. Drives me crazy, trying to figure out how to turn without him doing it. i just takes a little pressure from my little finger too.

  9. Janee Kavanagh says

    Hi Larry, I love your stories from when you were a novice. Really laughed over the one about Lucky and I could just see him heading for the clothes lines. Also loved the one about you working on the ranch and getting into a stall with that untouched 3 year old just off the range. Too bad you didn’t have a Larry Trocha back then to advise you. Sure glad I have your training videos now!

  10. Sherry says

    A hoss as spooky as Tucker would not reside in my domain very long, especially if it passes the eye test. & I would not mislead folks at the sale barn. There are good ones out there to be had.

    • Jo A Anthony says

      i thought it might be his eyes. But i braided his bangs and that helped a little. But he actually puts his head down to look into bushes along the path. But where getting there.

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