Comments on: Horse Training Tips – Stallion Advice http://www.horsetrainingvideos.com Thu, 17 May 2012 13:13:42 -0400 hourly 1 By: Linda H. http://www.horsetrainingvideos.com/stallion-advice.htm/comment-page-5#comment-31579 Linda H. Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:22:28 +0000 http://localhost/dev.xintyr.net/sites/horsetrainingvideos1/?page_id=800#comment-31579 Your advice is dead on. Some stallions (a few) just belong in a hole, plain and simple. Absolutely not worth a minute of time. Why would anyone want to pass on their rotten disposition is beyond my comprehension! I know of a stallion that appears to be the quietest, most well trained stallion when handled by a man and the instant a woman handles him, he's the meanest, most viscious, dangerous stallion on four legs as ever I've seen. Your advice is dead on. Some stallions (a few) just belong in a hole, plain and simple. Absolutely not worth a minute of time. Why would anyone want to pass on their rotten disposition is beyond my comprehension! I know of a stallion that appears to be the quietest, most well trained stallion when handled by a man and the instant a woman handles him, he's the meanest, most viscious, dangerous stallion on four legs as ever I've seen.

]]> By: Cheryl Jenn http://www.horsetrainingvideos.com/stallion-advice.htm/comment-page-5#comment-31101 Cheryl Jenn Sun, 01 Apr 2012 01:08:11 +0000 http://localhost/dev.xintyr.net/sites/horsetrainingvideos1/?page_id=800#comment-31101 Larry... Interesting newsletter as usual. As far as the handling of aggressive stallions, I will tell you what has worked well for me... I had a Breeding Center with over 12 stallions, Mostly Arabs and Thoroughbreds, and where people get into trouble is if someone beat the living #\\# out of them beyond the time they felt it was justified... Then... In essence they feel that you are a threat, a predator, they go into self-defense mode. That is when you are in trouble... All the stallions if dealt with fairly, as they would expect an Alpha Mare or Stallion would react, Swift and Fierce... Then you should stay out of trouble. Unless... They have been pressured into Attack mode. Then you, your family, your clients... Are all in jeopardy. I had a stallion come into training with a history of attacking... He was a straight Egyptian, incestually bred... Halter stallion, Won at the Egyptian Event with an unbelievably pretty head and Park ability. So not ever having had a problem I assumed this one would come along... Which he did for me... But not for the quiet girl that cleaned stalls, As he went for her jugular, and grazed her collar bone. I thought it had to have been unprovoked, knowing the girl well, and thought what in his history had caused him to flip out.. Then I learned about the abusive halter trainer... Lunging him with a lip chain, etc... He learned how to be Evil... Like the stories you hear of an abused child flipping out and killing their parents. Horses learn from their dams quick immediate punishment for something she does not like or want them to do... She doesn't stay angry and he looks to her for security. So they cannot comprehend why we would beat them unless we were a predator. Let your stallion know their boundaries, but then let it go and buddy with them later. All of my stallions, Arabians, with mostly Park pedigrees were in stalls with open center bars so they could stick out their heads, and they enjoyed when people came to visit. Children Learn What They Live... And so do Horses... ~ Larry…

Interesting newsletter as usual.
As far as the handling of aggressive stallions,
I will tell you what has worked well for me…

I had a Breeding Center with over 12 stallions,
Mostly Arabs and Thoroughbreds, and where people get into trouble is if someone beat the living #\\# out of them beyond the time they felt it was justified…

Then… In essence they feel that you are a threat, a predator, they go into self-defense mode. That is when you are in trouble…

All the stallions if dealt with fairly, as they would expect an Alpha Mare or Stallion would react, Swift and Fierce… Then you should stay out of trouble.
Unless… They have been pressured into Attack mode.

Then you, your family, your clients… Are all in jeopardy.
I had a stallion come into training with a history of attacking…
He was a straight Egyptian, incestually bred… Halter stallion,
Won at the Egyptian Event with an unbelievably pretty head and Park ability.
So not ever having had a problem I assumed this one would come along…
Which he did for me… But not for the quiet girl that cleaned stalls,
As he went for her jugular, and grazed her collar bone.

I thought it had to have been unprovoked, knowing the girl well, and thought what in his history had caused him to flip out..

Then I learned about the abusive halter trainer… Lunging him with a lip chain, etc…
He learned how to be Evil… Like the stories you hear of an abused child flipping out and killing their parents.

Horses learn from their dams quick immediate punishment for something she does not like or want them to do… She doesn't stay angry and he looks to her for security.
So they cannot comprehend why we would beat them unless we were a predator.

Let your stallion know their boundaries, but then let it go and buddy with them later.

All of my stallions, Arabians, with mostly Park pedigrees were in stalls with open center bars so they could stick out their heads, and they enjoyed when people came to visit.

Children Learn What They Live…
And so do Horses… ~

]]> By: Patricia Edge http://www.horsetrainingvideos.com/stallion-advice.htm/comment-page-4#comment-30758 Patricia Edge Tue, 27 Mar 2012 01:10:36 +0000 http://localhost/dev.xintyr.net/sites/horsetrainingvideos1/?page_id=800#comment-30758 Mr Trocha you are right - I have worked and shown stallions, not all are the same. They need respect. Some are pussy-cats then others are like they are at a Stud Farm - watch out. Yes you need a person with more experience handling Studs. As for your German Martingale it is fantasic my Guy is lowering his head and I can get him around the arena twice without breaking now we will start on how to get a nice easy lope on the right lead. I have phoned and left a message for I wish to pay by Pay-Pal. I love your videos and as a rider back in the saddle it helps so very much, over the years training horses has changed alot. Thank you Mr Trocha you are right – I have worked and shown stallions, not all are the same. They need respect. Some are pussy-cats then others are like they are at a Stud Farm – watch out. Yes you need a person with more experience handling Studs. As for your German Martingale it is fantasic my Guy is lowering his head and I can get him around the arena twice without breaking now we will start on how to get a nice easy lope on the right lead. I have phoned and left a message for I wish to pay by Pay-Pal. I love your videos and as a rider back in the saddle it helps so very much, over the years training horses has changed alot. Thank you

]]> By: Sue http://www.horsetrainingvideos.com/stallion-advice.htm/comment-page-4#comment-29717 Sue Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:30:59 +0000 http://localhost/dev.xintyr.net/sites/horsetrainingvideos1/?page_id=800#comment-29717 Larry I agree with you regarding handling a stallion. I do not work with stallions but have worked with ill tempered horses and have learned to react with a discipline quickly. I have surprised myself with how quickly I react sometimes but know I DO NOT want to get hurt. For anyone that feels bad about disciplining remember our discipline is not near as bad as what they do to each other out in the field when they are biting and kicking at each other. But we need to make them think it's as bad. No one should ever underestimate the power of a horse especially one with his testosterone amped on high. When you work on a daily basis with horses you witness the strength of the horse. Metal they bend, posts they break, stall walls they kick down, welded trailer rings that you attach the horse too in the trailer that they rip off the wall without much effort. Imagine what they can do the human body-YIKES!! As far as cookies, I give them to my horse sparingly and when I do he gets them in his feeder, not by hand. My horse is very food motivated (as most are) and I know if I started using cookies as bribes I would create a monster in him that I would regret. I refuse to let my fingers be mistaken as carrots. Thanks for getting so many newsletters out there for us. Larry I agree with you regarding handling a stallion. I do not work with stallions but have worked with ill tempered horses and have learned to react with a discipline quickly. I have surprised myself with how quickly I react sometimes but know I DO NOT want to get hurt. For anyone that feels bad about disciplining remember our discipline is not near as bad as what they do to each other out in the field when they are biting and kicking at each other. But we need to make them think it's as bad. No one should ever underestimate the power of a horse especially one with his testosterone amped on high. When you work on a daily basis with horses you witness the strength of the horse. Metal they bend, posts they break, stall walls they kick down, welded trailer rings that you attach the horse too in the trailer that they rip off the wall without much effort. Imagine what they can do the human body-YIKES!! As far as cookies, I give them to my horse sparingly and when I do he gets them in his feeder, not by hand. My horse is very food motivated (as most are) and I know if I started using cookies as bribes I would create a monster in him that I would regret. I refuse to let my fingers be mistaken as carrots. Thanks for getting so many newsletters out there for us.

]]> By: H.D. Glasser http://www.horsetrainingvideos.com/stallion-advice.htm/comment-page-4#comment-29203 H.D. Glasser Tue, 28 Feb 2012 05:36:37 +0000 http://localhost/dev.xintyr.net/sites/horsetrainingvideos1/?page_id=800#comment-29203 @<a href="#comment-25685">LarryTrocha</a>: Larry, you are absolutely right...I do have to say, however, that sometimes injuries and the treatment thereof can make even patient and well-manner horses fearful or aggressive. Case in point, someone recently shot my 6 year old gelding in the face and I have had to flush the wound and hot pack it several times a day. He has always been tolerant and well-mannered, but lately he has grown tired of the necessary "medical care" and has been trying to run off and/or assert himself with me. I have found that whomever moves the horse rules the horse and all I have to do is move him around (run him off/push him around) for a minute or two and he gives in. I just wanted to state that sometimes people have to take into consideration the situation...not just the horse. As for studs...timing is EVERYTHING! I had one bite me once...need I say once. I probably shouldn't say this, but I beat him like I was going to kill him for a brief moment [at the most opportune time] and he never attempted to bite me again. Actually, after the intervention, my horse became one of the best horses I ever owned. Granted, I felt like a horrible person for an hour or two for having lost my patience and my cool, but if I hadn't, he and I wouldn't have formed the partnership we did. When it comes to a 1,300 pound stud...give him an inch and he'll take a mile...or your ear...or your finger...or your life. If you don't know what your doing, hire a professional like Larry...or purchase a really great health/life insurance policy...'cause you're going to need it. @LarryTrocha: Larry, you are absolutely right…I do have to say, however, that sometimes injuries and the treatment thereof can make even patient and well-manner horses fearful or aggressive. Case in point, someone recently shot my 6 year old gelding in the face and I have had to flush the wound and hot pack it several times a day. He has always been tolerant and well-mannered, but lately he has grown tired of the necessary "medical care" and has been trying to run off and/or assert himself with me. I have found that whomever moves the horse rules the horse and all I have to do is move him around (run him off/push him around) for a minute or two and he gives in. I just wanted to state that sometimes people have to take into consideration the situation…not just the horse. As for studs…timing is EVERYTHING! I had one bite me once…need I say once. I probably shouldn't say this, but I beat him like I was going to kill him for a brief moment [at the most opportune time] and he never attempted to bite me again. Actually, after the intervention, my horse became one of the best horses I ever owned. Granted, I felt like a horrible person for an hour or two for having lost my patience and my cool, but if I hadn't, he and I wouldn't have formed the partnership we did. When it comes to a 1,300 pound stud…give him an inch and he'll take a mile…or your ear…or your finger…or your life. If you don't know what your doing, hire a professional like Larry…or purchase a really great health/life insurance policy…'cause you're going to need it.

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