Horse Training Tips – Respect

Dear Friend and Horseman,

Welcome to another Horse Training Tips Newsletter.

This particular issue is probably one of the most important ones I've ever written. Because the message here is so critical, I hope you read it a couple times over.

I'm going to start off with several questions that were sent in by my subscribers. If you pay close attention, you will notice a common theme.

I'm going to give just a short individual answer to each question and then I'll get into the big topic of discussion that I feel is so important.

You may notice that a couple of my answers are a little, shall we say, BLUNT. Well, what can I say, sometimes I just can't help myself.

Okay, let's get started…

Question:

Larry,
I'm working a filly who was abused and is very dominant towards people. I have worked many ground hours with her and she has joined up, if I may say so, quite well.

She saddles fine and is very supple. I have been walking and trotting in arena doing circles. Today as I trotted around in a semi-small circle, she stopped and reared.

After she reared I asked for a trot again and exaggerated my posture forward. When I could feel her begin to stop and rear again, I would round my back more and lean further back.

How to correct and am I doing the right thing. I thank you.

D.A.

My answer:

Hi D.A.
I wouldn't worry about your posture when the horse rears. I'd be more concerned with knowing WHY she reared in the first place. There is always a reason for bad behavior.

Knowing "why" is the key to permanently fixing the problem.

Usually, a horse rears as a result of balking or refusing to go forward. And is usually a sign of disrespect toward the rider or a lack of discipline.

In your email you said this mare is very dominant toward people… well, there you go. You need to change that. She needs to learn to respect people, not dominate them.

By the way, I don't buy the "she was abused" theory. If that was true, she would be afraid of people, not pushing them around.

I also don't believe that the mare "all of a sudden" just started rearing. This has been coming on for a while, you just haven't recognized the warning signs.

Now, the other possible reason for a horse rearing is when the rider has a death-grip on the horse's mouth, so make sure the reins are loose.

You can counter the rearing by going forward.

A horse can't rear if he is moving ahead. When she begins to stop to rear, make sure the bit isn't restricting her and then spank her butt to make her go. Don't be timid with this, get her going.

Take care,

Larry Trocha
Larry Trocha Training Stable
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Question:

Larry,
I have never had so many problems with my horse since he got gelded.

Now every time I ride him he bucks for like 10 minutes and I thought that gelding was suppose to mellow a horse out and I am having lots of problems.

He doesn't respect me anymore, and I really miss our bond.

He was awesome before and now it seems like he don't trust me once the saddle is on his back. Its hell.

I haven't fallen off yet but he's going to over power me one of these days.

Now when I lead him he rears but I don't want to send him to a trainer that's going to beat on him. So what should I do?

Connie

My Answer:

Hi Connie,

Let me see if I've got this right.

You say your horse has no respect for you.

You say he is getting to be dangerous to handle.

You say you know it's just a matter of time before he hurts you.

Then you say, in spite of him being extremely dangerous, you don’t want to discipline him. Hmmmmmm…

Hey, it makes perfect sense to me… NOT.

You talk about how your horse doesn't "TRUST" you any more. Well, since you don't beat on him and only show him loving kindness… Why would he lose his trust in you?

Here's the answer:

He never lost his trust in the first place. He only lost his RESPECT.

You haven't learned enough about horse nature to know the difference.

Connie, here is my question to you.

Besides disciplining him, what could you possibly do that would motivate your horse to behave?

Horses like this don't care if they hurt you.

This horse is having a great time pushing you around and using you for his personal entertainment. He's having fun doing this, what motivation does he have to stop?

Connie, it's time to get real here before you get seriously injured.

First of all, gelding him had nothing to do with the way he is acting.

This behavior has been building for a while (it's probably the real reason why you had him gelded in the first place). But his behavior now is so bad you're scared.

The bald face truth is that you need to make "bad behavior" uncomfortable for your horse or he'll only get worse. And if you can't do it, send him to somebody who can.

The consequence for not taking the appropriate action is a trip to the hospital.

Larry Trocha
Larry Trocha Training Stable
www.HorseTrainingVideos.com
www.HorseTrainingTack.com

SIDE NOTE: According to the latest statistics, approximately 80,000 people each year are taken to the hospital emergency room because of horse related injuries? After reading this issue of the newsletter, are you at all surprised?

Question:

Hi Larry,
I have been receiving your emails and I was wondering if you could give me some advice.

I have a 6 year old gelding who was only broken in the summer of last year. Its a very slow process. My main problem with him is that he tries to bully me.

He rears and tries to scare me, when we are going forward he would stop and refuse to go on. he is making me very nervous. HELP

Susanne Stafford

My Answer:

Hi Susanne,
Your problem is a common one.

I'm impressed that you recognize what your horse is doing to you. Many riders seem to never have a clue.

Anyway, the root of your horse's belligerent attitude is that he doesn't respect you.

He's testing your authority. He sees no reason why he should cooperate. After all, nothing unpleasant is happening to him for exhibiting his bad behavior.

You need to apply some discipline to get him to understand that you expect him to be good. He needs to realize there is a price to pay for bullying you around.

First, you need to make him behave and do exactly what you want on the ground. If he gives you any attitude or refuses to try, discipline him.

Once he has respect for your authority on the ground, it will be much easier to get him to do what you want when you are on his back.

Take care and good luck to you.

Larry Trocha
Larry Trocha Training Stable
www.HorseTrainingVideos.com
www.HorseTrainingTack.com

My Comments:

There are several more emails I'd like to address here.

One is from a 14 year old girl who's mare kicks her on a regular basis (great kids horse, huh).

Another is from a guy who's horse is gate sour and won't leave the company of other horses either. When he tries to press the issue, his horse starts rearing, lunging and bucking.

A third question is from a lady who's horse won't respond to her leg cues and viciously kicks at her spur.

Her horse also runs backwards when she tries to get him to go forward. And when leading him, he pins his ears and gives her threatening looks like he's going to bite her.

As I said earlier, all the horse behavior problems listed above have a common theme. The ROOT CAUSE of the problem is the horse's lack of respect for the people who handle them.

Let me make this perfectly clear…

You won't have any luck training a horse that doesn't respect you.

Because this concept is so important, I've addressed it below. My goal is to try to give you a better understanding of "respect" issues and what to do about it.

Does your horse have any of these problems?

  • Rearing

  • Kicking

  • Biting

  • Barn sour or refuses to leave other horses

  • Runs over the top of you

  • Pushes you around and won't behave

  • Bad manners and general lack of respect

  • Takes off with you for no reason

  • Balks and refuses to go forward

  • Out of control or no control at all

  • Stiff, heavy and hard in the mouth

  • Won't stop, turn or go where you want

If your horse has any of the problems listed above or is just difficult to train in general, then the following information may be just what you're looking for.

You see, what every single one of these behavior problems have in common is that their ROOT CAUSE is the horse's lack of respect for the people who ride and handle them.

As a horse owner, this type of behavior can be hard to figure out. That's because its kind of like a "catch 22" situation…

The horse misbehaves because he doesn't respect you. And he doesn't respect you because you can't control him. And you can't control him because he weighs 1000 pounds and is misbehaving.

It's a vicious circle and a tough combination to deal with if you don't know how to handle it.

In the beginning stages, many horse owners aren't even aware that their horse is being disrespectful toward them. They have a hard time recognizing it. That's because this behavior starts out very subtly and gradually gets worse over time.

This "respect" thing is a natural part of a horse's instinct and is related to dominant or submissive behavior when relating to other animals.

In a herd of horses, every member has his place in the pecking order. The top horse is dominant over all the other horses. And, the horse at the bottom is submissive to all the other horses in the herd.

The dominant horses have the respect of the submissive horses and always get their own way. The submissive horses get no respect from the dominant horses and are always being pushed around.

The horses in the middle will be dominant to certain members and submissive to others. It's the natural way of the horse. In all relationships, in all encounters with others, a horse will be either dominant or submissive.

How does a horse become dominant?

He becomes the dominate horse if he can CONTROL the other horse and MAKE HIM MOVE out of his way. If he can control the other horse, he in affect, becomes the submissive horse's leader.

A dominant horse will be the one who kicks or bites any horse who crowds him or invades his space.

He will also exhibit his dominance by crowding, pushing or invading the space of other horses. He's exerting his control.

Read the paragraphs above again. They are key.

Now, it's not always the biggest or physically strongest horse who is dominant. Sometimes its a small horse. But it is always a horse that is willing to "impose his will" that wins dominance over the other horses.

When I was a kid, I had a little 14 hand tall palomino stallion. He ran with all the other horses out in the pasture. Even though he was the smallest horse of the bunch, he ruled over every single horse in the herd.

Why? How? Because he really wanted to and was willing to fight for it.

You see, he had the willingness to fight for dominance.

He certainly wasn't the strongest horse in the herd. But he was the one who, "in the blink of an eye", would turn and kick the heck out of any other horse that tried to push him around.

Now, the vast majority of horses prefer not to fight.

They are timid by nature. They may put on a good bluff but when their bluff is called, they back right down. So, any horse that exhibits even a little bit of aggressiveness is usually the winner.

Okay, so how does all of this relate to you and your horse's behavior problems?

Well, like it or not, the horse sees his relationship with YOU the same way he sees it with another horse.

One of you is going to be dominant and the other is going to be submissive. Naturally, the horse would like to be the one who is dominant.

Now, if the horse insists on getting his own way and you don't correct him, you are in for trouble. He'll get bolder and bolder and that's when the behavior problems start.

Be aware, bad behavior doesn't happen over night. It comes on little by little.

To have a good relationship with your horse, you have to be the dominant partner in the relationship. You have to make sure the horse sees you as his leader. This is what wins his respect, trust, and willingness to please you.

How do you go about this? Well, there are several different methods to get this done but in reality there is a definite "right way" and a definite "wrong way" to go about it.

One way is to just do what another horse would do out in the pasture — turn around and "whomp the bejeezus out of the horse every time he does something wrong.

This will gain his respect… and it will get him to mind you.

However, there is more to it than that.

There are usually other ways of dealing with this type of problem. (Of course, with really bad or dangerous horses, a GOOD, HARD SPANKING is a lot better than doing nothing at all).

Usually, thoroughly teaching a horse to move out of your space will go a long way in gaining his respect.

Ground exercises of moving the individual parts of the horse's body works great.

On the other side of that coin, trying to "pet" the horse into respecting you definitely won't work. Feeding him cookie treats won't do it either. You have probably already tried both and found they only make the horse worse.

Gaining your horse's respect and trust requires the proper balance of training, discipline and rewarding the horse's willingness to try for you.

Read the above line again.

Knowing how to do this is the key to transforming your problem horse into a dream horse. The kind of horse you have always wanted. It's also the key to maintaining a good relationship with your horse. Keeping a good horse good.

I just can't emphasize this "respect and trust" enough. Without it, you just don't have a good horse. You'll have hell training him. And you'll have hell handling him.

The techniques used to gain a horse's respect and trust are not complicated or difficult to learn. Just about anybody can do it if they know what to do.

To achieve good results, a horseman needs to know what training methods to use, how to apply those methods and why those methods are appropriate.

You can see a good example of this in my "Training the Foal and Weanling" video.

Sincerely,

Larry Trocha
Larry Trocha Training Stable
www.HorseTrainingVideos.com
www.HorseTrainingTack.com

Well, this wraps it up for this newsletter. I hope you liked it.

Until next time, have fun training your horse.

Larry Trocha
Larry Trocha
www.HorseTrainingVideos.com

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138 Comments on Horse Training Tips – Respect Leave a Comment

January 9, 2012

Chloe
10:32 pm #

Hi Larry I have a 12 year old gelding, he is quarter horse cross arab.
I have had him for two years now and he has really been nothing but trouble!
Under saddle he is a pleasure to ride! But on The ground he has NO respect at all. He is pushy, and is all ears back, and going at me trying to bite. I have, Used loud sounds, and putting my arm up so the side of his mouth comes in contact with it, and i have resulted to Smaking in the end, But none of it works.

I am probably to blame as I would go up to the paddock, talk to him but when he realised I had to food he would get violent! And in the end i would always take hay up to him when I wanted to talk to him! Or an apple to pat him, and that would only last until he was finished with his food.

How do i get him to stop this behavior? He is practically bulling me into my lunch money! (Or in his case just lunch).

I need this behaviour to stop becasue it is getting to the point where unless he halted and on a led rop he is just dangourse!

So if you can help?

December 31, 2011

Addie
8:09 am #

I have a five year old horse who's always been at the top of the pecking order. We've been having some trouble with dominance but after reading your article I think I know how to solve it. My real problem is he's balky especially when there's grass nearby. The other day when I was riding him he stopped to try and eat some grass. I kicked him but he just sat there and pawed at the ground. When I kicked him again he reared! This was only a little half rear but enough to freak me out a bit. Then I gave him a kick again and he walked on like nothing happened. I love him to bits but the balking's getting a little ridiculous. On our trail rides he just keeps stopping and looking around and so I'm constantly having to keep him moving. Is this a dominance issue to? How do I fix this?

December 31, 2011

LarryTrocha
9:07 am #

@Addie: Hi Addle. Yes, this is a dominance or respect issue.

Soon, that little half rear will escalate into a full-blown straight up rear.
Then you risk falling off or the horse coming over backward on you.

Pretty serious stuff.

You know, in the article above, IN ORANGE LETTERS, I clearly state… "A good hard spanking is better than doing nothing at all".

Yet, NOBODY wants to believe that's what it may take to fix the problem.

Ask yourself, what do horse's do out in the pasture when sorting out the pecking order?
They kick, bite and strike… They use PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE.

If you really want your horse to get the message, perhaps you should do the same.

Larry T.

December 31, 2011

Addie
10:12 am #

Thanks, you very much I guess we've got some work to do!

December 19, 2011

mudd
9:21 pm #

i ended up loving my horse so much, that i put up with what i did not find to be dangerous behavior, but in actuality was. had these issues been brought to my attention by a client and their horse, i would have let them know that what he was doing, despite being very rare, was not acceptable, and i would have put a lot of time into working on that behavioral issue.
i did not have someone to give me a reality check on my own personal horse. i let myself get blinded to my own situation. sadly i ended up in a very serious accident with him. my family and friends and my doctors tell me how lucky i am that it was not worse. however, i have to admit, i was upset at not just my beloved horse, but with myself and a little embarrassed that i was "bested" by my own personal horse. the horse that earned me years of bragging rights, oohs and ahs in the arena, and also was my best advertisement for my ability to train.
i focused on the wrong issue at hand for almost a month now. i was feeling sorry for myself for getting into that situation, instead of realizing, it could have been much worse. i wish i would have read this earlier. i will take a reality check in ANY form. self-educated, or from someone else. live and learn. thank you!

December 15, 2011

kathryn
12:07 pm #

Larry
Thanks for making everything so clear.
I bought my mare a year ago, and I worked on her moving away from hand pressure in the stable, not barging for food etc, but I suppose I overlooked her nippiness towards me.
I read your pages and realised everything needed to be made totally clear to her. She is the dominant mare in a field which includes 16.2 warmbloods. She is 13.2 cob.
So I went in to her stable this evening and laid down the groundrules. (Loud slap with a stiuck – more a noise shock than a sting, but lots of long sweeping strokes and nice words when she got it right),
What did I end up with?
A pony who was sweetness personified. She asked if she could maybe go to the hay, stopped barging over the door at other horses, and gave me a personal bubble of space.
Her ears were pricked all the time, she had stopped giving me evil stares and did not try to bite me. She was, in fact, HAPPIER!
This was really important work. A 12 year old rides her and does Sat and Sun morning feeds, muck out etc. I HAD to address this before she got hurt. I had had to do small interventions over the last year (her pulling towards the hay store, rushing to get it from the stable) but I think I had just been too soft and put her bad manners down to her being a dominant mare.

Thank you for making me realise that sometimes natural horsemanship needs a firm slap. Now I am the dominant mare in the stable!

November 30, 2011

Cláudio Soares
7:29 am #

Hi you all:

First, sorry for my english.
I've been following this issue some time now and i have to agree with Larry, who gives excellent advices to amateur riders. A horse is an animal that is used to be in a group. In groups generally there's one leader and the others follow. Is up to you to be the leader or the follower. Any of you that have watched how a group of horse behave should know that they aren't as sweet and tender as you make them. For a 500kgs horse to respect a 80kg human you have to know what you're doing. I have had horses my all life, and we have saved some horses from some very bad hands. At first they don't trust you, they turn their back on you, but in time, they will learn to trust and cherish you as the hand that feeds them, takes care of them, give them hapiness and punish, but above all, as the leader that you should be. We never gave up on a trouble horse, but we also don't allow any excuses. I feed, i take care of and i try to make them happy, but if they don't respect me, God damn, they better run faster than me, because i'll make their life miserable. I won't sell them, but i bet you what ever you want that the horse WILL respect me or die trying to. You don't agree, buy a motorcycle, it may throw you out, but you can't blaim it. Having any kind of animal is like having children, if you can't handle it, well, don't have them.

November 27, 2011

Donna
10:23 am #

Jackie, I wouldn't even bother with an auction; wouldn't want to see someone else get hurt on him—unless you're honest about him and don't mind him ending up on as a steak on someone's plate. Any rodeos out there interested in a bronc?

November 27, 2011

jackie
6:42 am #

recently bought a 12 year old horse at an auction. i have talked to three people who have tried to ride him before i bought him. they all tell me to shot him that he is crazy. i saw this horse ride in the ring and he is a traveler. one man told me as soon as he brought him out of the barn he balked and would not move except to try to get him off. i also found out that in the shed row before i bought him that he went over backwards and they think he broke the mans back. in the barn he has issues about his head and rear quarters. i don't want to make any mistakes solving this problem so i'm asking for help before i get started

November 27, 2011

LarryTrocha
9:05 am #

@jackie: That horse's behavior is so dangerous, I wouldn't worry about making mistakes.

I'd worry more about staying out of the hospital.

It appears you didn't actually read the above newsletter or have chosen to ignore the lessons it contains.

My advice is to send this horse to a professional trainer.

Larry T.

November 27, 2011

Darlene
9:51 am #

@jackie: Hi Jackie, obviously you already know your horse has a problem or you wouldn't be on this forum asking for help. Sorry the answer you were given was so unhelpful; "@jackie: That horse is so bad, I wouldn't worry about making mistakes." I'm no expert but the horse is scared and acting up for a reason, if you seriously want to keep the horse then look for a long road of just getting to know this animal and he you. He's got trust issues and until he starts trusting you won't hurt him he'll continue to try and protect himself. My opinion for what it's worth. Hope you guys can connect he's lucky someone saved him.

November 27, 2011

LarryTrocha
9:59 am #

@Darlene: Darlene, you are totally "off track" with your analysis of Jackie's horse.

If she follows your advice, you should be prepared to visit her in the hospital emergency room.

It appears both of you have chosen to ignore the lessons outlined in this newsletter.

People like yourself, love to use the "ABUSE EXCUSE" as a justification for a horse's dangerous behavior.

Claiming that all you have to do is win the horse's "trust" and the dangerous behavior will go away.

That's the kind of erroneous thinking that will get you killed.

If you understood a horse's natural behavior, their emotions and how they think and react… you wouldn't be offering this kind of advice.

HERE'S MY CHALLENGE TO YOU AND ANYONE ELSE WHO SHARES YOUR BELIEF:

SHOW ME "ONE" VIDEO THAT DOCUMENTS A HORSE WITH DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR, TRANSFORMED INTO A WELL MANNERED HORSE BY THE ACT OF "WINNING HIS TRUST", AS YOU CALL IT. (Meaning, no discipline. Only petting him, soothing him, reassuring him and feeding him treats when he acts bad) AND I WILL GLADLY PAY YOU $500 PLUS PUBLICLY ADMIT I'M WRONG.

Six years ago, I presented this same challenge and offered a whopping $10,000 to anybody with a video to prove their point on this issue.

There were no takers. Not even one attempt.

Larry T.

November 27, 2011

Joanne
10:00 am #

@jackie: too many good horses to waste your time on a horse that could have broke a mans back.. This horse could do the same to you, run him back through the auction.

November 23, 2011

Alex Duncan
2:35 pm #

Hi Larry,

My Mare (Cricket) has always had an attitude problem. But she can be such a sweetie somtimes. When i started lunging her after she came back from being broke (she's 8 years old) she did AMAZING! But about the 5 th time of me lunging her (in a 2 week period) she all of a sudden just stopped, faced me and put her ears back. I know this is a lack of respect.. MAJORLY ..She's did this after about 2 times going around in a circle every time i started up again. What can i do to make her stop? My Mom tried lunging her after i tried the second day and she reared at my mom and charged her, She also pawed out at me with her ears back. Were Going to try and get a better whip, should we just keep trying to lunge her?

November 23, 2011

LarryTrocha
4:58 pm #

@Alex Duncan: Hi Alex. Yes, this is definitely a respect issue… and potentially dangerous too.

It's time to let Cricket know who's boss.

Every time she threatens you, aggressively whip her until she understands you won't tolerate her disrespect.

Be prepared for her to fight back and try to win.

Have something on her head that gives you a lot of control.

Larry T.

November 28, 2011

Alex
9:20 pm #

@LarryTrocha:
What do you mean 'somthing on her head'??

November 28, 2011

LarryTrocha
9:54 pm #

@Alex: Hi Alex. Your question (response) here to my suggestion above, tells me you are too inexperienced to address this issue on your own.

It's time to take the mare to a professional trainer and have him show you.

Take care,

Larry T.

November 29, 2011

Alex
9:15 pm #

@LarryTrocha:
Well my mom is pretty experienced and we have alot of horse people out where we live. I wasn't going to do this on my own.. ha. I would have to agree with you.

November 16, 2011

michael
5:18 pm #

i was wondring if you could help me out

my horse of 7 years was a very good horse did what every i asked her to do intill this past year she some how got her bluff on me and when i try and get it back she raers up and somtimes bumps me up should i just stick with her intill one of us gives in your what my mom said thats what i am going to have to but it scares me when she rears up she somtimes gets up high and one time she nock me of. she dous very good in arenas around people its all wered to me. i now she dous not wont to hurt me she just wonts controle always had she was very hard to train, i can till some good storyies and some weared ones. she is 3 quarters arabian and a quarter paint i have had her from the day she was born she was mine from day one she choose me in fact she would kick my mom but never me she hates my mom, she will let my little sisters ride her with no promblems. i just now what to do at this point can you please please help or give me some explamation of why she dous this??

November 15, 2011

Linda Hughes
12:28 pm #

Very well said Angie. I wish people would apply your observations to their horses, dogs and kids. That would be a big improvement for all.
LRH

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