Horse Training Tips – 2yo Problems

Dear Friend and Horseman,

Welcome to another Horse Training Tips Newsletter.

One of my members emailed in for help. She is in the process of training a 2 year old reining prospect and has run into a few problems.

Her questions are really good and I think you'll get a lot out of the answers… especially if you are training a horse and things aren't going quite right.

Before we get started with the training questions though, I want to take a moment to congratulate one of my Inner Circle members.

This member has achieved an important milestone in her career with horses and deserves some recognition. I think you'll enjoy reading what she wrote. I've reprinted her email here so you can read it for yourself.

Here's what she wrote:

Dear Larry,
This is a thank you instead of a question. I've studied your tapes, asked some questions, and added it to the help I get from the trainer I ride with. My training business has grown and I have begun to have success with my cow horses.

I use your info to help me clarify concepts I'm struggling with, and have ironed out a few tough horses going back and reviewing your tapes. Every now and then I surprise my trainer with something good.

I have to admit that rather than tell him I'm using your stuff, I just let him think I'm a genius. I've just been asked to join training stables with Tim Unzicker. Part of why he wants me is because he likes the way I've learned to think for myself. That's a big THANK YOU from me to you.

My career with horses is taking off in directions I never dreamed of. I also managed to make the finals at the National Reined Cow Horse Association World Show in Limited Open Bridle, and came in 9th.

You've been a big part of my figuring out this fantastic sport. Gotta go review my cutting tapes. I'm starting my new filly and will probably be hollering for help any time now.
Thanks again, Janet Huntington

My comments:

Hi Janet,
What a fantastic achievement. 9th at the NRCHA World Show! Doing that well in the Limited Open Bridle division when you are just starting your career is a hell of an accomplishment. I'd say you are on your way to becoming successful in the horse training business. Congratulations and I wish you continued success.

Special note to my subscribers: If you live in the Colorado Springs, Colorado area, and need a trainer, you might want to contact Janet. She just may be someone who can give you some help.

By the way, before everybody emails me to ask, here are the Cutting videos Janet referred to. And here are specialized videos to help you train a Reined Cow Horse.

Okay, lets get started with the training questions

Here's a question concerning a young reining prospect:

Hi Larry,
I have a 2-year-old reining prospect that I have started and now am training with help from your videos.

Can you explain to me about the running martingale…how to adjust it and what it is used for. This filly has started to really toss her head when I ask her to trot off or lope. Would this piece of equipment help keep me from getting whacked in the face with her head?

She used to lope off fine but lately when I ask her to lope off she is doing silly things with her body and head and refusing. I have tried spanking her with the reins, thumping her with my legs/spurs.

She rears sometimes when I ask her to lope off. I am a very soft handed rider but will get firm when necessary…I just haven't had one put up such a fight before.

She didn't act like this the initial 3 months of her training but the last 3 months she has been giving me a fit. Thanks for your advice ahead of time.
Deb

My comments:

Hi Deb,
Thanks for getting my videos. I really appreciate it.

Your question is very good and shows that you are really trying to get your horse trained. I respect that. Of course, without actually seeing the filly, I can only guess what the problem is but from your description I think I have a pretty good idea.

First, I'm assuming your filly's teeth are in good shape. A lot of 2-year-olds have wolf teeth, caps and hooks that can be very painful. Make sure you eliminate any physical problems the filly may have. Once that's done, get on with the training.

The problems you are having with your filly are pretty common with a 2-year-old. My colts will sometimes misbehave too, even if they were not having problems a month or two earlier. As a matter of fact, I have one that is going through this right now.

The reason for this behavior is because when a colt is first started, everything is new. He is unsure of what to do and worried he might get in trouble. He will usually be on his best behavior and sincerely try to please you.

After the colt has been ridden a few months, he is comfortable with being ridden and realizes that nothing bad is going to happen to him… and that maybe you really shouldn't be the one telling him what he can or can not do.

This is the time frame when a colt will start testing you. He is testing your authority. He wants to know if you are the "dominant partner" in your relationship with him. If you are not, he wants to be.

Deb, its time to convince your filly that you are the boss. Do this by INSISTING that she responds to your hands and legs. If you don't address it now, her behavior will only get worse.

In your email you said that you are "soft" with your hands. Well, sometimes this isn't necessarily what you need.

"Good hands" are hands that teach a horse to RESPOND TO THE BIT. Remember the way I demonstrated how to use your hands in my stopping video? Do it. That is what is going to work on your filly. And the same applies for lateral flexion too.

Also, forget about using a running martingale. It just plain doesn't work. I used one for years and never got much good out of it.

Use a GERMAN MARTINGALE instead. This is the best training aid there is for teaching a horse to flex and give to your hands. It will help your horse get a much clearer understanding of what you're trying to teach him.

YOUR MAIN GOAL HERE IS TO TEACH THE FILLY TO GIVE TO YOUR HANDS BOTH LATERALLY AND VERTICALLY.

Using a snaffle bit, check her up to the side, like I show in my foundation videos. And do it on both sides. Also, check her up straight back. Do this every day for several days. She needs to learn to follow and give to bit pressure un-questionably.

It would be a good idea to move her around while she is checked-up too. If you have a breaking pen, check her up and make her trot around and turn-back into the fence once in a while. You want her to learn to give to the bit no matter what moves she is asked to perform.

Also…

Teach your filly that she MUST move her hindquarters away from leg pressure. DO THIS FROM THE GROUND FIRST.

Get a stick that's 3 or 4 feet long and pointy on one end. I usually go to a hardware store and buy a wooden dowel that is 1/2 or 3/4 inches in diameter. I'll then take my pocket knife and whittle one end down to a dull point. Do not make it too sharp.

Hold the filly by the lead rope and press her with the stick where your spur would normally be. As soon as she even thinks of moving away from the pressure, release to reward her.

Do it again. Press her side with the stick and instantly release the pressure as soon as she moves away from it. Repeat this process (on both sides) until she knows (without a doubt) what you are trying to teach her.

Now, If she refuses to move off the pressure or gets cranky about it, just increase the pressure. You might even have to poke her a few times with the stick. Do it repeatedly if necessary. Let her know that you aren't kidding.

Again, if she responds correctly, release the pressure as her reward. You may want to also pet her and tell her she did the right thing. Let her know that good behavior is the way to go.

When she willingly accepts this, get in the saddle and try to get her to move her hindquarters away from your leg pressure.

Press with the calf of your leg (you may have to bump with your leg) and as soon as she starts to move away, release your leg pressure as her reward. Again, you may want to pet her to let her know she definitely did the right thing.

If she resists or refuses to respond to your leg, press her with the spur. Again, release the pressure the instant she responds. Repeat this until she accepts moving off your leg pressure willingly.

If you will do these two things, I think your filly will behave much better.

Now lets address the fillies other problems.

You said she will sometimes rear when you ask her to lope. Usually, rearing is just another test of your authority. She doesn't respect you yet so she feels free to argue with you. Rearing is just her way of being defiant. (Kind of like a little brat).

I'd say there is a very good chance if you will do what I suggested and teach her to give to your hands and legs, the rearing will disappear.

It will automatically be taken care of because teaching her to respond to your hands and legs also instills respect. Also keep in mind that a horse can't rear when its moving forward. If she needs it, spank her on the butt with a crop to get her going.

Again, I'm offering these solutions without actually seeing the filly. I could be wrong about the cause of her problems but I doubt it.

I also want to assure you that your filly's behavior really isn't that uncommon. It's not caused by something you did wrong or some big mistake that you've made.

If you'll take care of this now and get her respect, there is no reason for her not to go on and make a good horse.

Take care,

Larry Trocha
Larry Trocha Training Stable
HorseTrainingVideos.com

Well, this wraps it up for this newsletter. I hope you liked it.

Until next time, have fun training your horse.


Larry Trocha
www.HorseTrainingVideos.com

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23 Comments on Horse Training Tips – 2yo Problems Leave a Comment

May 8, 2011

Catherine
6:27 pm #

Hi Larry, my mare starts to buck when I whip her with my reins or crop. What should I do?

Catherine

May 8, 2011

Catherine
6:26 pm #

Hi Larry, thank you for suggesting that I read this training tip. The only question I have is what if your horse doesn't like being whipped with a crop and starts to buck when being spanked like my mare? What should I do?
Thank you

April 13, 2011

Andrea Smida
11:07 pm #

Hi Larry.
Thanks heaps for sending us this Tip. I'm at the very same place with my recently started Filly. I put my german martingale on her and she didn't like it one bit. I will get her teeth sorted too as she does have a wolf poking through. She's doesn't rear up when we lope but most certainly is disrepectful and tried to pig-root on me the other day.
Thanks again for the this great advice. Andi.

March 19, 2011

shelly
2:13 pm #

Larry,
I usually prefer fast footed horses and tend to breed for that but occasionally I have 2 year olds that are lazy with their front feet. I know they are quick and agile because I watch them in running and playing with each other in the pasture, but when they are saddled they suddenly act like their front feet weigh a ton. Do you have any drills or exercises that would nip this resistance faster. (Eventually it does go away as training progresses) Have you noticed this also?

March 19, 2011

Michelle S
3:51 am #

Hi Larry, Thank you for all your help with horse training. I had different horses over the years but did not know anything about behavioral issues. We have been watching you on tv and reading your Newsletters. I have a question:

I have a 6 year old QH that spooks every time he sees movement in our yard. He jumps quickly to the left or right but is good on the trails. Also, when my daughter takes him from a trot to a lope, he bucks and then goes into the lope. We have tried making him work as soon as he does this from the saddle, but he continues to do so. He did really well on trail we recently took him to, but have not had anything to come round to spook him. I am worried that if we take my daughter on a trail ride (this is her horse that we recently adopted), he will spook and throw her off. Can you tell me why he may be doing this and how to correct?

Thanks so much!

Michelle

March 19, 2011

LarryTrocha
5:47 am #

@Michelle S: Hi Michelle. The horse is doing that because he doesn't respect your daughter's authority.

Read this: http://www.horsetrainingvideos.com/respect.htm

Bottom line… he needs to be gathered up abruptly and spanked every time he acts that way.

Larry T.

March 11, 2011

Cindy
2:51 pm #

Just an added little tidbit….
First, I agree with all that you have said about the respect and testing, etc. I have a mare that was working great and all of a sudden started throwing her head and rearing and even giving a good crow hop now and then – all in moving into the lope/canter – all else seemed to be fine. I also thought it was her testing my authority and got really firm with her to try to work through that, but also had her teeth checked, saddle fit checked (since she'd grown some), bit and bridle checked. The resolution was a chiropractor! Had never used one before, but was at my wit's end with her behavior. Turns out she was seriously out of alignment. About a week after the adjustment she was back to herself and haven't had any of those issues since. Just wanted to add that little bit of info to the mix…..
And thanks for all the excellent information!

March 11, 2011

LarryTrocha
7:47 pm #

@Cindy: Good call, Cindy.

Larry T.

January 13, 2011

VIVIENNE
2:58 am #

Brilliant as always Larry, thank you so much for all your advise and the dvd's etc. xx

January 11, 2011

CAROL
11:07 pm #

Great advice, Larry. You addressed both problems – lack of respect and lack of enough training on the ground.

January 5, 2011

HEATHER HUNT
2:09 am #

I'VE JUST STARTED TEAM PENNING HE WALKS CALMLY INTO TO HERD BUT IF THEY DON'T MOVE AWAY FROM HIM, HE LIKES TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE NIP TO HELP THEM ON THERE WAY. HE'S GOOD OTHERWISE IF A BUNCH OF COWS COME AT HIM HE JUST MOVES IN FRONT OF THEM PUTS HIS EARS BACK AND NOSE OUT AND THEY HEAD THE OTHER WAY BUT HOW DO I STOP THE NIPPING PLEASE

December 23, 2010

Jan Bigotti
9:15 pm #

thanks Larry,

I signed up for you wonderful newsletters several months ago and they have been very helpful. After 30 years away from owning horses I purchased a green 6 yr old Rocky Mountain mare in July. I had ridden her several times, with the trainer, in different terrains, and she seemed very willing and docile. well, when I got her to her new surroundings I soon realized that I had over-bought and that we both needed a lot more training. a green horse and a green rider!! When she gets excited she will rear and the trainer reccommended a running martingale. That seems very restrictive so I have gone to a standing martingale where she can get her head up a bit. She is being ridden almost every day, three by the trainer and four by me and she is doing much better. She does, however, when separated from her stable mate tend to get over excited and sometines rear, which frightens me. My trainer hates a martinagale and feels it ruins her gait, should I go without, which makes me nervous or perhaps go with your German martinagale, I am not sure how to use it. will it keep her from rearing?

Thanks for all your help!

December 23, 2010

LarryTrocha
9:31 pm #

@Jan Bigotti: Hi Jan. No martingale is the solution to a horse that rears. You need to figure out the CAUSE of the rearing and eliminate it.

Judging from what you wrote, both you and your trainer are on the wrong path.

Take care,

Larry T.

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